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Beeswax's avatar

I'm 72 years old and have been a progressive since my late teens. I voted for "not Trump" (i.e., Joe Biden) in 2020. This time I wrote in the name of a Democratic state representative from Texas, Shawn Thierry. Thierry took a principled stance against the gender medicalization of children, for which she was evicted from the Democratic party. That's how the Dems roll. Charming, isn't it?

I applaud your efforts regarding the trans issue, but I have to say, it's not the whole story. Here's why:

The Democrats are the party of identity politics. While trans ideology is pernicious, dangerous and dumb, so is the rest of identity politics. I'm talking about DEI, ubiquitous in universities, corporations, even religious institutions and the U.S. Military. Cancellations, the destruction of peoples' careers, and an ever increasing animosity between the races is the result.

The Supreme Court thankfully shot down affirmative action, but mucking around with the country's origin story, and stirring up new levels of interracial hatred are tearing the country apart. Why was it deemed a winning strategy to make Kamala Harris our presidential nominee, when nobody had voted for her and she couldn't even answer a simple question: what will you do differently from Joe Biden once you become president? All anybody could say about Harris was that she's a "woman of color" and has a vagina that I assume she "identifies" with since we haven't heard her claim to be trans.

I'm only a little bit facetious. Identity politics, regardless of which identity we're talking about, is a bankrupt way of looking at human beings, and people in this country are sick of it. It's the special provenance of the Democrats.

Matt Walsh's recent documentary, "Am I Racist?" was a brilliant exposé of the racism and grifting that underlies DEI.

I now understand that DEI is a poison. People of all races find it offensive. Gender ideology is just one of its many permutations. They ALL need to go away. The Democrats should uncouple themselves from this divisive, tragic perspective on what are just normal variations among humans from different countries and backgrounds going back hundreds of millions of years.

There is one race, the Human Race. There are two sexes, Male and Female. To tie it all together, we have the Golden Rule.

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Suzette Cullen's avatar

I want a women’s party like England, I want a workers party etc. I am disgusted with these mega political party grifters.

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Cavatina's avatar

The Women's Equality Party is shutting down. Many women declined to support them because they went along 'Trans Women Are Women'.

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Beeswax's avatar

The demise of the Women's Equality Party seems to be another casualty of identity politics. What do "all women" have in common aside from sex-based physical characteristics and some personality traits that may be influenced in some way by hormones that may predispose us to be more nurturing and sensitive than men, on average?

There's no guarantee that a "Women's Party" will appeal to all women simply because we're women. Apparently, we can't agree on abortion as a woman's right. We can't even agree on the definition of "woman," based on the failure of the Women's Equality Party! Once again, identity politics fails us.

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Sandra Pinches's avatar

Good idea!

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Sandra Pinches's avatar

Wonderful post, Beeswax!

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Steve's avatar

I agree with all of what you’ve written here, Beeswax.

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Melissa R.'s avatar

Thank you, DIAG.

I try to get people interesting in this topic--with very little success.

It has become my most important issue, as I have lost a daughter to trans ideology.

Everyone now seems to know a "trans kid" or young adult caught up in this identity. The affirming parents are often evangelists for trans identities. "Daughter is now my son. He is happy."

They can be a noisy bunch.

Meanwhile, many of us feel we can't voice our concerns, due to the relationship we hope to have with our trans-identified child.

Helen Joyce is correct. It is those affirming parents that will keep this trans machine rolling.

And what about young adults happy with their new selves?

They would be fine if they haven't medicalized. Why isn't that ever mentioned?

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Jenny Poyer Ackerman's avatar

DIAG was formed by two moms in the same position, as a way to work for sanity while protecting fragile family bonds. They did all this anonymously and continue to do so. I just point this out for anyone who wasn’t aware. Whether public or in stealth, we are stronger together.

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Jocelyn Davis's avatar

It's such a good point (but also terrible, if you kwim) about the affirming parents. Having listened to Julie Bindel's podcast series on detransitioners, I think (hope) there is a way back for some of these parents--at least for the ones who affirmed, reluctantly, only because they were fed the suicide lie, believed it, and didn't know what else to do. Of course, the idea that one can prevent suicide by "validating" someone's delusions is such nonsense, I can't believe anyone falls for it in the first place. Hmm, maybe there's a book in that topic ...

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Jenny Poyer Ackerman's avatar

I love this post for its itemized list of DIAG’s all volunteer-driven achievements in its less than one year history. I’m a board member and I didn’t know all of it! Very proud to be associated with this group whose time has arrived. DIAG has a key role to play in the rebuilding phase of our party in the wake of its self-immolation. Thanks to our two founders we are in a unique position to say, ‘we warned you; are you ready to listen now?’

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Jocelyn Davis's avatar

Thank you, Jenny, for your valuable support and leadership in the cause. We appreciate you!

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Susan Scheid's avatar

Saw you on this panel. Your statement was really helpful in clarifying the origins of DIAG and what you hope to accomplish. The whole panel was quite fascinating, too, particularly Val Applewhite, who appears to have won her reelection, which is great news. https://youtu.be/veeq4nEFmZc?si=UYeFiwSG-02I-DkQ

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Jenny Poyer Ackerman's avatar

Thanks, Susan, I wish we’d met! Yes to Val, who ran unopposed from the left, which made her safe despite the chill she got from spineless-brainless NC Dem leadership. I’ve been trying to get her to do a podcast interview, and a DIAG X-space would be nice too. She’s quite the motivating speaker, and her story is one for this moment.

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Beeswax's avatar

Val Applewhite is my hero. So is Maud Maron, whose name I've written in twice in Congressional elections against Dan Goldman. And of course, Kara, and now you.

Something I didn't make clear in the post I wrote above is that although I feel betrayed by the Democrats, I still want to be a Democrat. I haven't defected. But I agree 100% with Maron about the Democrats' abandonment of free speech and the censorship within the party that bans diverse views.

A Democrat friend of mine who doesn't agree with the trans agenda rationalizes the Democrats' policy as an example of what she calls "socialism." Her definition of socialism is "treating everyone the same." For her, the inclusion of trans-identified men in women's spaces makes ideological sense, since it's a way to ensure that they are treated equally. The illogic of this is mind boggling, but she really believes it, and she's not stupid.

Which brings me back to identity politics. Democrats advertise themselves as good people who defend the "oppressed" group (in this case, trans-identified men) while ignoring the suffering of women, who end up in the "oppressor" category. This is how they can justify, without shame, calling Val Applewhite and Maud Maron "bigots."

Clearly, it's time to examine the perverse incentives that keep the Democrats in this ideological sinkhole.

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Jenny Poyer Ackerman's avatar

I agree 100%. Well said, and thank you for the lovely compliment! Yes to Maud as well; it was truly an honor to share the stage with these brilliant women.

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Beeswax's avatar

Susan, thanks so much for this link. Fantastic conversation.

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Anonamom's avatar

Hopefully the Democrats will wake up before more harm is done. It's a sunk cost fallacy, this gender affirming care. Humility is one of the toughest virtues.

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Alice Stone's avatar

The sunken-cost fallacy is powerful as is the shame of admitting they harmed children. Advocates of gender ID-eology will not just fade away, this movement will not end peacefully. My family members would never admit they made a mistake by letting their daughters be taken down this path. Too much self-reflection and honesty required.

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Eleganta's avatar

I lived through the Satanic panic, and I can tell you: there will be no apologies. There will be no self-reflection. There will be no attempt to repair the damage done.

There will be silence enforced by threats of estrangement, just as during the moral panic.

And there will be the blanket expectation of unquestioning, submissive sweeping-it-under-the-rug-for-the-good-of-the-relationship.

My parents chose to sweep it under the rug after my brother came out of the Satanic panic. I did not. They went back to having a relationship with him. I did not.

Now he claims to be a woman.

Our parents must be LIVID.

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Dave's avatar

Children can no more "consent" to have their healthy breasts and genitalia removed or take puberty blockers than they can

"consent" to have sex with an adult.

Similarly, parents and doctors can no more approve such permanent mutilation simply because a minor child desires it than they can approve their participation in pedophilia.

Ultimately society will see the truth and ban the practice as we have banned female genital mutilation. Do people support that practice if the parents consent? I truly hope not.

It is monstrous to believe otherwise and those who do will ultimately be held to account for their actions. The obscene bureaucrat Rachel (Richard) Levine among those in the dock.

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Deeply_Concerned's avatar

Thank you, DIAG. I am very grateful for the work you are doing, truth telling in this cult-captured world that is maiming children, adolescents and young adults.

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J Chicago's avatar

thank you!

the males in female spaces hurts primarily women, but gender medicine....30% or so are boys!

https://www.rogdboys.org

thank you for all you are doing! I see a lot of people bringing you up also in comments to newspapers, etc. it's wrench in the lie that this is all political...

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Kara Dansky's avatar

"Title IX, the landmark legislation created to protect women and girls from discrimination, was handed over to trans activists on President Biden’s first day in office." Absolutely true, but it's even worse than that. That order instructed all federal agencies to redefine sex to include "gender identity" for all federal administrative purposes. And that's what they did. Not just DOE, but also HUD, HHS, DOJ ...

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Jocelyn Davis's avatar

It is all so much worse than most people are aware. I have just finished reading your latest book, Kara (The Reckoning). It is a must-read for Dems, imo. I recommend it to everyone.

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Kara Dansky's avatar

TY!

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JAS's avatar

Thank you DIAG! This election has brought this issue into focus and Democrats need to listen to their previously quite majority. Thank you for being our voice.

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Susan Scheid's avatar

OK, this all sounds like good stuff, but I am still waiting, since I wrote you on this on Monday, and you said you were on it, for DIAG to do a call to action to contact Moulton and Suozzi to thank them. It does not matter what anyone thinks of them (I am, in particular, not a Moulton fan), what matters is that this was a first chink in the armor, and when that happens, we have to jump on it. The key is to get the quantity of calls up as far as possible. Please take a cue from M4women, who did a great call for action on this: https://open.substack.com/pub/ma4women/p/support-seth-moulton?r=16541&utm_medium=ios

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Piranesi's avatar

Hi Susan, it can be helpful to remember, with any organization, that much is happening behind the scenes. What you interpret as an incomprehensible delay, may be strategic or necessary on our part. We always warmly welcome volunteers should you ever want to lend a hand and be a part of that process, and you should receive our newsletter tomorrow.

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Susan Scheid's avatar

Understood. What puzzles me is this was a simple thing, and I had understood you were on it, which I was pleased to see. If you’d needed help, say, drafting the message to go out, I would have been happy to help out.

Opportunities to support D public officials who do the right thing are rare indeed, and my own view is that it is a top priority to seize those opportunities and show visible, tangible support. I was in fact just listening to a WDI panel in which two public officials, Maud Maron and Val Applewhite, stressed how important it is for people to speak up in support of actions they take, particularly as they take so much heat for doing so. (I did that in the case Maud Marin described in the panel, by writing every member of the school board I could ID and also to Nadler and Levine, who had acted like jerks toward her and about the resolution she talked about. This has been my personal priority throughout, and from time to time, when I spot a concrete issue like that, I also write and pass on template text for others to use, if they wish.

But listen, I am really not trying to say what you all should do—I was just surprised in this instance, because from what Jocelyn indicated, I thought I would see follow-through. I get that this is a nascent organization, you are all volunteers, and you have your own sense of priorities, which is of course your right, as you are doing the work. While we may differ in our approaches and priorities, I am glad you are out there, and I wish you good luck!

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Susan Scheid's avatar

And who knows, maybe it will be in the newsletter!

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Piranesi's avatar

It will!

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Susan Scheid's avatar

Just got the email. Great work! Thanks so much.

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Hazel-rah's avatar

Awesome! Thank You!

I hope more in the DIAG leadership will feel comfortable enough soon to go public.

Seth Moulton and Tom Suozzi are leading the way, they sure could use some company!

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Josh Reilly's avatar

Unfortunately Moulton and Suozzi are 2 center right leaning Dems who obstructed the other goals in the post (climate, Healthcare, etc).

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Hazel-rah's avatar

And this is why you keep losing. Just like the article says, you're too busy persecuting other Dems.

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Josh Reilly's avatar

It has literally nothing to do with me or with debate within the Dem party. Gender is important but it's a relatively tiny unimportant issue in terms of voter concern and numbers affected. Climate, jobs, wages and wealth inequality affect just about everybody. Dems lose because they refuse to respond to these issues with an aggressive, unified stance. Thanks to guys like Moulton Suozzi.

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Hazel-rah's avatar

Alas, your own left-leaning exit pollster completely disagrees with you.

The top 3 issues for swing voters in the election were:

1. Trans

2. Inflation

3. Illegals

https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/

In your defense, the lefty media actively suppresses any news that might reflect badly on the trans agenda, so you've been kept in the dark.

For example, look carefully at any other exit polling from the center-left media, and you'll see that they didn't even offer the trans issue as an option to those they polled.

Even this exit pollster tried mightily to downplay the trans portion of their own results. But the numbers don't lie!

So again, that is why you lost, and why you'll keep losing if your party doesn't correct course.

But they won't of course. They're too arrogant, too stubborn, too captured by the trans cult. It'll take more losses before moderates are able to gain the upper hand in the party.

Go ahead, do your denial dance now. I already have my next bit of evidence ready. You're not the first Dem in denial I've messaged with and you won't be the last. I really am rooting for you; I used to vote Dem all the time and I'll return once they return to sanity.

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Kelly's avatar

I was watching John Oliver the other night and while his work resonates most of the time and he covers very important issues in some light depth, here I am (again) shaking my head when he says how trans women are in "hardly any women's sports", etc. More of the progressive stance that those who don't agree with these notions must be far right idiots essentially. I am not of this party any longer.

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Jocelyn Davis's avatar

900 medals in elite women's sports taken by males in the past 10 years, per the recent UN report. 900! And that's not even counting school or nonelite sports, or the thousands of women denied a chance even to compete. "But it's no big deal." Riiiiight.

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Anne Martinez's avatar

It's interesting how they are all doubling down and then also pivoting to "It barely affects anyone!"

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JAS's avatar

Makes you wonder what else he is wrong about

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Kelly's avatar

Yep. I shake my head at similar pronouncements by other late night hosts too - Jon Stewart etc.

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Clara Marzano's avatar

Bill Maher is the only one I know who “gets it.” He had Abigail Shrier on.

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Kelly's avatar

yes he does get it and is in the late night minority of uncrazy. what a time.

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Kelly's avatar

I used to volunteer on the board of women's health center where I live and after they started adopting the "pregnant people" nomenclature etc, I grieved the loss of that relationship too.

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Cate's avatar

The level of shocked disbelief among some of my progressive friends at the election's outcome highlights how out of touch with reality they've become. Sadly, I understand so much better now why many Republicans think Democrats are elitist jerks. I see strong evidence for that in the party's embrace of gender madness, as well as leaders' arrogance in first hiding Biden's diminishment and then anointing Harris as its nominee. (Primaries? Voters? Who needs 'em?) I'm glad RFK, Jr., whom the party mistreated shamelessly, will have an important role in Trump's administration, and certainly hope The Orange One will keep his promise to restore protections for vulnerable kids and women that Biden/Harris sought to undo in their fealty to gender activists.

P.S. Adding to this belatedly that I admire DIAG's intelligence, courage and perseverance in trying to right the party's leftward lean before it capsizes entirely. :) It may take just the bottom up, inside out effort DIAG is organizing, finally reaching a critical mass. I hope the election's outcome emboldens Dems and former Dems who weren't previously "out" in opposing gender ideology to now join in and speak up. Go, DIAG!

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E. Kathryn Stanley's avatar

How many of you follow PITT (Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans)? We really could use more DIAG Democrats commenting on PITT articles, because (post presidential election), this is turning into a pro-Trump substack. Of course Trump offers easy answers to a complex problem, and understandably desperate people are tempted to believe him, but I hate to see people being misled. I've tried to offer a different perspective, but many of my comments have been removed.

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Jocelyn Davis's avatar

I follow them and will try to remember to comment.

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E. Kathryn Stanley's avatar

Thank you. I just feel disappointed seeing so many people thinking that Trump is going to fix this or anything else. For one thing, gender ideology goes well beyond the borders of our country, so the battle for sanity does too. Restrictions and bans might give some temporary relief, but they'll provoke a backlash, and they can be reversed by a future administration. We need more lawsuits and courageous whistleblowers to come forward, and that will make a difference.

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Eleganta's avatar

Trump would have said *anything* to please the RNC. He desperately needed to get back into the White House and get his hands on the Presidential pardon, to avoid spending the rest of his life in prison. Desperately.

But he couldn't care less about this issue--or any issue. We all know that. We've all seen this movie before.

He's bragged on tape about chronic, premeditated sexual assault; been reported by his own wife as a rapist and Hitler enthusiast; joked on Howard Stern that all he has in common with his own daughter is "sex."

His own Secretaries of Defense called him "a fucking idiot." For crying out loud, the man looked directly at an eclipse of the SUN.

Trump is not a President. Like Reagan, he's an amoral mentally-impaired figurehead for the RNC. And the RNC will only stand against transgenderism until those sweet, sweet transgenderist millions start pouring in.

Like all moral panics, the Trans Moral Panic will only be ended by the lawsuits.

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Eleganta's avatar

Agree with you 100%, Kathryn.

As a past-poster to PITT, I've written to the moderators about the tone of the comments. They don't have the toxic left (understandably, as the toxic left are all transgenderists), but they do have a handful of the toxic right, who comment on every post and act as though they own PITT.

I only follow PITT sporadically now. I just can't take the fringe right-wing vitriol.

I quit subscribing to the Free Press for the same reason.

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Clara Marzano's avatar

I am leaving DIAG info cards all around ultra-blue Seattle. So thankful to have the talking points as well!

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Suzette Cullen's avatar

Mechanization, globalization all sold to the public as something that would save consumers money and give them lots of things to buy.

That in reality it has flooded the market place with cheap goods and in the process decimated the country of origins workforce.

Workers, the less than 200000 dollars group are furious for good reason. Now they have sold their souls to the highest bidders who are determined to maintain their status quo.

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